tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post532186019056134508..comments2023-08-10T06:32:38.601-04:00Comments on By Their Strange Fruit <a name="top"> </a>: I Am George ZimmermanBTSF:http://www.blogger.com/profile/02553697351488297764noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-34129906507103019162013-07-10T17:14:41.135-04:002013-07-10T17:14:41.135-04:00Sorry for being unclear. My question was in refere...Sorry for being unclear. My question was in reference to the defense for the woman in the CBS article linked in that comment. It was her SYG defense that was denied.StrngeFruithttp://bytheirstrangefruit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-68272238166460441632013-07-10T17:09:29.915-04:002013-07-10T17:09:29.915-04:00It wasn't denied, Zimmerman opted not to go fo...It wasn't denied, Zimmerman opted not to go for Stand Your Ground and instead claimed Self-Defense (pretty similar, but different laws)errr123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-81975998357452797372013-07-10T15:38:45.910-04:002013-07-10T15:38:45.910-04:00What a great perspective! Thank you for sharing he...What a great perspective! Thank you for sharing here. There are so many spectrums of marginalization. Many of us probably are in a position of privilege along some lines, but are oppressed or otherized in others. Both Zimmerman and Martin! <br /><br />Thanks again!StrngeFruithttp://bytheirstrangefruit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-89792341392622281942013-07-10T11:05:35.445-04:002013-07-10T11:05:35.445-04:00And then there those of us who could be either Geo...And then there those of us who could be either George Zimmerman *or* Trayvon Martin, depending on our current circumstances.We belong to the majority and the minority simultaneously. As a white person, I'm the one who averts my eyes walking past a group of brown-skinned teenagers on the sidewalk. I have that condescending lilt to my voice talking about education--and who usually ends up suspended or in Special Ed. As an autistic woman, I have police stop me on a regular basis because I flap my hands, wear heavy duty headphones, and lay flat on the ground to restore bodily sensation. With milder autism spectrum and family in the upper-middle class helping me financially, I usually occupy the majority slot. But I know with the way society is structured, I'm one meltdown away from occupying the minority.Tiresiessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-49937657600440012622012-05-24T11:30:33.218-04:002012-05-24T11:30:33.218-04:00I deeply apologize for my slow response. The month...I deeply apologize for my slow response. The month of May has been...interesting. <br /> <br />Statistic rarely speak for themselves. As you have pointed out, they are always subject to contextual bias, misplaced causation, and human interpretation. Had it been obvious, I wouldn’t have asked. Thus, I’m still interested in your personal interpretation of the figures you presented.StrngeFruithttp://bytheirstrangefruit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-45569584482467682492012-05-13T15:08:14.539-04:002012-05-13T15:08:14.539-04:00Does anyone know the details of the is case, or th...Does anyone know the details of the is case, or the grounds on which her 'Stand Your Ground' defense was denied? smh...<br />http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/StrngeFruithttp://bytheirstrangefruit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-31076186347675520222012-05-06T16:13:15.553-04:002012-05-06T16:13:15.553-04:00
The statistics speak for themselves. I attribu... <br /><br />The statistics speak for themselves. I attribute those statistics to failed social<br />policy (including Johnson's "War on Poverty") which didn’t/hasn’t take fallen human nature into consideration and which often hurt more than helped. I don't think much will change until the message preached by the voices below are heard<br />and heeded.<br /><br /><br /> <br />Note: all but the last are voices of African-Americans<br /><br /><br /><br /> http://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1336325413&sr=1-6<br /><br /><br /> - what really has and will bring about the "success" of cultural and ethnic minorities <br /><br /><br /><br />http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/05/-8216-this-is-how-we-lost-to-the-white-man-8217/6774/<br /><br /><br /> - an evaluation of Bill Cosby and his message of personal responsibility. <br /><br /><br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Crow-Michelle-Alexander/product-reviews/1595586431/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar<br /><br /><br /> - a review of the book "The New Jim Crow" <br /><br /><br /><br />http://trk.cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?QC8B-Q2Kl-nTevw9 <br /> - this one is rough, but it is a message that some need.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1fG9KQwztg<br /><br /><br /> - Morgan Freeman on Black History month<br /><br />Dr. Carter Goodwin Woodson, the African-american historian who lived 60 <br />years ago and was behind the creation of Negro-history week which became<br /> Black History Month -- "If you control a man's thinking you do not have to worry about his <br />action. When you determine what a man shall think you do not have to <br />concern yourself about what he will do. If you make a person feel that <br />he/she is inferior, you do not have to compel him/her to accept an <br />inferior status, he/she will seek for it. If you make a person think <br />he/she is a justly outcast, you do not have to order that person to the<br /> back door, that person will go without being told, and if there is no <br />back door, the very nature of that person will demand one."<br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/When-Helping-Hurts-Alleviating-Yourself/dp/0802457053/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1336335112&sr=1-1<br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /> sallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-32027374053302585732012-05-05T14:30:00.065-04:002012-05-05T14:30:00.065-04:00So true! One side of the story has been consitentl...So true! One side of the story has been consitently portrayed for years. <br /><br />True, balance isn't achieve by swinging too far the other direction. But at the moment, there is definitely still one perspective that predominates over all others in the medias, schools, conversations (http://tiny.cc/cmfdq and http://tiny.cc/fcqd0). So frustrating!<br />I'm still not sure what you attribute those statistics to though. What conclusions are you drawing based on those numbers? What do you think the causes are?StrngeFruithttp://bytheirstrangefruit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-11704499836869010622012-05-05T10:05:06.120-04:002012-05-05T10:05:06.120-04:00I was responding to bawlin' . I'm weary ...I was responding to bawlin' . I'm weary with partial truth, ignored truth and twisted truth. My point is that Christians (and really all people) should not emphasize one part of the truth to the neglect of the other. When should want to receive and to give an accurate picture.sallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-79565627265075459922012-05-03T22:24:37.636-04:002012-05-03T22:24:37.636-04:00What are you trying to tell us with these stats?What are you trying to tell us with these stats?StrngeFruithttp://bytheirstrangefruit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-64847163038587786562012-05-02T22:52:27.974-04:002012-05-02T22:52:27.974-04:00Indeed, so much pain in this world. So many conseq...Indeed, so much pain in this world. So many consequences for our collective brokenness. It takes folks like you, spreading the word by grace to affect reconciliation.StrngeFruithttp://bytheirstrangefruit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-49366159063691851202012-05-02T10:21:42.152-04:002012-05-02T10:21:42.152-04:00Disturbing for three reasons. #1 it happened. #2...Disturbing for three reasons. #1 it happened. #2 the media silence (including bloggers) #3 the public silence <br /><br />http://hamptonroads.com.nyud.net/2012/05/beating-church-and-brambletonSallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-22722962566081873802012-05-01T19:34:50.330-04:002012-05-01T19:34:50.330-04:00I'm interested in where you got you informatio...I'm interested in where you got you information. Here is some which comes from the U.S. Department of Justice.<br /><br />While African Americans <br />comprise 13.5% of the U.S. Population, 43% of all murder victims in 2007<br /> were African American, 93.1% of whom were killed were African <br />Americans.<br /> <br /> Victimizations of African Americans from violent crime which<br /> include the following; rape/sexual assault, robbery, aggravated and <br />simple Assault was 24.3% in 2007, with the highest percentages of <br />victimizations within the age ranges of 15-24 totaling a percentage <br />greater than 38%.<br /><br /> <br />The Justice <br />Department provides a breakdown of homicides by the race of both the <br />victim and offender. Looking at the data for 2005 (the latest year <br />available), we find that whites committed 48.0% of all murders and <br />blacks committed 51.2% of all murders. However, whites outnumber blacks<br /> in the population. In fact, non-Hispanic whites are about 69% of the <br />population and blacks are about 13%. These statistics alone, shows that<br /> blacks are 13% of the population, but commit 51.2% of the murders, <br />indicate that blacks commit a seriously disproportionate number of <br />murders."<br /><br />You are right about welfare recipients 38.8% of whom are white and 37.2% are black. Note however that African Americans comprise 13.5 percent of the population yet more than 1/3 of all welfare recipients. Sallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-61964630960753617942012-05-01T19:24:41.771-04:002012-05-01T19:24:41.771-04:00Not at all! Reading all that can get onerous. Glad...Not at all! Reading all that can get onerous. Glad you brought it up. StrngeFruithttp://bytheirstrangefruit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-46318955729020311852012-05-01T19:23:24.075-04:002012-05-01T19:23:24.075-04:00 thanks for pointing it out. I should have read al... thanks for pointing it out. I should have read all the comments before I made mine.Sallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-11173976780031116252012-04-30T21:57:08.200-04:002012-04-30T21:57:08.200-04:00Yes, that is an incredibly poignant quote that ver...Yes, that is an incredibly poignant quote that very much relates. Came to my mind as well (Great minds think alike!--see comment at bottom of the page). Thanks for sharing it. StrngeFruithttp://bytheirstrangefruit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-38249213170931751002012-04-30T20:14:03.799-04:002012-04-30T20:14:03.799-04:00Perhaps you know Zimmerman's context better th...Perhaps you know Zimmerman's context better than I since I have never been to his hometown yet, looking at the life of the man I have drawn a different conclusion than you.<br /><br />Concerning the color of suspicion, you might find Jesse Jackson's thoughts interesting, <br />"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in <br />my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start <br />thinking about robbery -- then look around and see somebody white and <br />feel relieved."Sallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-23106035374300943672012-04-29T22:42:45.266-04:002012-04-29T22:42:45.266-04:00hmmm...having black friends doesn't make one i...hmmm...having black friends doesn't make one immune to the racial prejudices all around us (http://tiny.cc/0b4jdw). In fact, the racial smog is so pervasive that we all breathe it in, both white folk and people of color. Perhaps the saddest effect of racism is the self-internalization that occurs. Thus, your, while valid and important, don't necessarily change the context within which Zimmerman's actions were taken. StrngeFruithttp://bytheirstrangefruit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-29896870363819850062012-04-29T18:25:30.284-04:002012-04-29T18:25:30.284-04:00If people would wait to speak until they had knowl...If people would wait to speak until they had knowledge then is sure would help things, but because many often speak without knowledge then their own personal prejudices are exposed. <br /><br />If you were George Zimmerman your great grandfather would have been Afro-Peruvian. <br /><br />If you were George Zimmerman you would have been raised in a racially integrated household and for several years shared the meal table with two African-American girls who lived with your family. <br /><br />If you were George Zimmerman you'd have partnered with an African-American friend to open an insurance office. <br /><br />If you were George Zimmerman you'd have a African-American neighbor saying this concerning what happened 'There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood, That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin.'If you were George Zimmerman you'd have a bounty on your head and people urging others to kill you. But alas you aren't. You are a minority part of the white majority who likes to indiscriminately (or perhaps with great discrimination) cast stones and to wallow in some kind of white guilt.Sallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-77827902547926107582012-04-24T10:11:08.803-04:002012-04-24T10:11:08.803-04:00I am reminded by Romans 12:14 and Matthew 5:44 tha...I am reminded by Romans 12:14 and Matthew 5:44 that I should be praying for George Zimmerman. I haven't beenStrngeFruithttp://bytheirstrangefruit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-12449348888510004992012-04-19T03:17:02.595-04:002012-04-19T03:17:02.595-04:00YOU KNOW,JUST LIKE THOSE FALSE CLIAMS OF PEOPLE WH...YOU KNOW,JUST LIKE THOSE FALSE CLIAMS OF PEOPLE WHO SAID THEY HIT THE LOTTERY,I DON'T<br /> THINK ZIMMERMEN LAWYER HAVE NOTHING FROM HIM. ZIMMERMEN, I BELIEVE HE GOT CAUGHT UP<br />IN THE MOMENT, VICTIM OF CIRCUMSTANCE TRUSTING EVIL LIES AND THOUGHT THAT HE WAS GOING WALK...THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SOME TIME AND HE MOST LIKELY WAITED IN AND THOUGHT THE MOMENT TIME WAS AT HAND, THAT HE COULD GET IN THE GANG,I TELL THAT HE HAS NEVER SHOWN THE BODY LANGUAGE THAT HE HAS EVIDENCEANTOINETTE LEWIShttp://profile.yahoo.com/MG3BZBQRG6UGCM2DHOSTQPIWLQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-78257510106670986532012-04-19T03:00:26.426-04:002012-04-19T03:00:26.426-04:00HATERED HAS WORKED VERY,VERY HARD AGAINST PEOPLE O...HATERED HAS WORKED VERY,VERY HARD AGAINST PEOPLE OF COLOR.<br />EVIL, NOT GOD REALLY HATE TO SEE BLACK MAN RECEIVE THE TRUTH.<br />AND,SO MANY SO EDUCATED WHITE PEOPLE CLAIM THAT THE BIBLE,BACKS UP THEIR POSITON ABOUT BLACKS.<br />THERE IS A SMALL NUMBER OF WHITE PEOPLE THAT KNOW AND BELIEVE GOD'S WORD<br />WHITE PEOPLE ARE AFRIAD TO HELP BLACKS LIKE THEY HAVE OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR.<br />1930'S AND 1950'S,THAT WAS THE TIME FOR THEM TO HELP BLACKS. And AS TIME MOVE<br />ON THE OPPORTUNITY WILL BECOME LETS IMPORTANT,GOD WILL VERY SOON MAKE EVIDENT THAT<br />HE IS HELPING BLACKS. WHEN IN THE 20'S 30'S AND 40'S AND FIFTY'S,IT WAS CLEAR THAT<br />FRUIT AND WATER,SWIMMING HAD GREAT DEAL TO DO WITH BLACK PEOPLE HEALTH.<br />THEY,BLACK PEOPLE SKIN LOOKED VERY CLEAN AND CLEAR,THESE DAYS WHITES, I BELEIVE<br />THEY REALLY ENJOY BLACKS LOOKING NASTY,DIRTY AND HOMELESS.O THE GREAT NEED FOR DRUGS.<br /> . THIS I BELIEVE SOME HOW MAKE WHITES FEEL IN CONTROL<br />OF SOME ONES LIFE ,LITTTLE HELP PLEASE. GOD DID NOT TELL WHITE PEOPLE TO PUT BLACKS<br />IN CHAINS,I DON'T CARE IF KINGS OF THOSE COUNTRYS GAVE WHITE PEOPLE ALL THE AUTHORITY<br />THEY NEEDED,GOD DID NOT SAY GO GET THOSE BLACKS AND DESTROY THEM.WHITE GO.<br /> NOW IF I WAS A SO CALLED WHITE PERSONS WHO DID NOT LIKE OR CARE ABOUT<br />BLACKS I WOULD JOIN A HATE GROUP OR LEAVE THEM ALONE AND STAY SEPARATED. I WOULD<br />ALSO SUPPORT ANY DRIVE THEY HAD IN GOING BACK TO AFRICA,OR GIVE THEM TWO STATES.<br />WHITE PEOPLE,WHITE REALLY MET CLEAN PERSON WHO TRUST IN GOD,IN GOD WE TRUST.THEY HAVE ENJOYED THEMS IN MARCHING FOR HATE,THEY HAD MANY HAPPY DAYS HANGING BLACK PEOPLE. OH AND TOO,LET'S SHOOT A BLACK HAS CERTANITY FLET WARMER THAN A HOLE IN ONE. THINK ABOUT IT FOR REAL. I'AM NOT HATING WHITE PEOPLE,THAT WOULD BRING A GERM IN TO MY OWN MIND AND BRAIN...WHAT A WASTE<br />I'AM LOOKING AT HOW SWEET IT HAS BEEN FOR WHITES....RAPE,MURDER,HANGINGS AND ALL MATTER<br />EVIL AGAINST BLACK,BROWN AND YELLOW FLESH. JUST THINK HOW WHITE PEOPLE HAVE ENJOYED<br />SHOUTING COON,HATE YOU NIGGER LOW DOWN DIRTY COON,DOG KISS MY BOOTS,OBEY ME FOOL.<br />YOU STINKIN NIGGER. WASH MY BACK NIGGER,YES WHITE PEOPLE HAVE REALLY,REALLY HAVE HAD<br />PARTIES ABOUT KILLING NIGGERS, NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT THEY WANT TO STOP THE PARTY OR THE WAR, I WOULD SAY THE WAR OR WARS WORLD WIDE,YES. IF A POLICE OFFICER SAY, HAY YOU COME HERE,A MINUTE SIR;I'AM GOING IN THE STORE,OFFICER WOULD GET OUT THE CAR<br />WITH HIS PARTNER,FRANK WE GOT SMART ONE HERE LET'S GO IN AND TEACH HIM A LESSON.<br />HE HAS A GUN,WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THIS GUN,OFFICER'S I HAVE A PERMIT...CALL FOR BACK<br />UP,WE ARE GOING TO CHECK YOUR STORY....OFFICER I'AM SITTING BACK HERE,I HURT MY ARM ...O<br />LITTLE BLOOD IS COMING OUT,NO PROBLEM WE ARE PULLING INTO THE STATION AS YOU SPEAK.<br />OFFICERS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING, WE MUST PUT ON RUBBER GLOVES BEFORE WE CAN CHECK YOUR<br />ARM,I STOPPED BLEEDING OFFICERS. FRANK DO YOU HERE THAT,SIR IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE,WE <br />MUST KEEP THESE GLOVES ON. OFFICER HAD NOT PUT GLOVES BACK WHEN THE GOT OUT THE CAR<br />EVEN IF THEY CHECK HIS HEAD NO GLOVES.BY THE WAY YOUR GUN DOES HAVE A PERMIT IN YOUR<br />NAME. BUT SIR SOME ONE OR YOUR SELF FIRED THE GUN NOT TO LONG AGO,WE COULD TELL. O YES<br />OFFICER I DID, YOU DID,WELL IN THAT CASE WE WILL HOLD YOUR GUN AND RUN A FULL CHECK ON<br />IT. SIR ,I BELIEVE WE WILL PUT YOU IN A CELL FOR A FEW HOURS AND WHEN WE GET THE REPORT<br />BACK IF EVERY THING IS OKAY YOU WILL BE PERMITTED TO LEAVE. WAIT LET EXPLAIN...ARE YOU GEORGE ZIMMERMEN, NO I'AM NOT WELL YOU WILL BE BACK THERE IN THE AT LEAST STILL MORNING. <br /> From: rooe2612 ANTOINETTE LEWIShttp://profile.yahoo.com/MG3BZBQRG6UGCM2DHOSTQPIWLQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-19028304982912493012012-04-14T18:09:44.675-04:002012-04-14T18:09:44.675-04:00As I mentioned in reply to your tweet, I have said...As I mentioned in reply to your tweet, I have said nothing against you at all. Please see the thread of the conversation for context before you jump to conclusions. <br />Be at peace, KStrngeFruithttp://bytheirstrangefruit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-40343643970002511002012-04-14T16:48:56.930-04:002012-04-14T16:48:56.930-04:00Thank for saying on Twitter, you get tired of me s...Thank for saying on Twitter, you get tired of me sometimes. That informs me of your character. Sweet face unkind heart. It makes everything you write, questionable as to your authenticity..Also being catty. I have released your from your pain, and blocked you. Instead of ragging me all you had to do was unfollow. Very unkind.OneLhttp://twitter.com/AWiseLatinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1475128319218423248.post-16457833468677177882012-04-08T21:01:26.788-04:002012-04-08T21:01:26.788-04:00Thank you for your thoughtful response.
You ment...Thank you for your thoughtful response. <br /><br />You mention those calling for Zimmerman's execution/assassination. Have you heard me do so? Indeed, as folks villainize and distance themslefs from zimmerman, here I extol an identification with him. <br /><br />Before there were the folks that call for his conviction without a trial, there was an established power that proclaimed his innocence without a trial. Both are wrong. Thus, you and I are largely on the same page: we call for due process. <br /><br />Unbiased legal judicial process, however, is all but impossible now (as though it ever would have been!). Beginning with a biased and poorly executed investigation, and continuing with polarization you mention, the truth has been obsured. <br /><br />I do call for Zimmerman's arrest because I believe there is doubt to the claim of self-defense and that it is the judicial system's role to determine whether the claim matches the evidence. If there is doubt in the minds of jury at trial, then so be it. But when officers take it into their own hands to be detective, prosecution, jury, and judge, things go awry. <br /><br />What would have happened if the roles had been reversed? We needn't wonder. There are numerous examples of self-defense claims being brushed aside for accused people of color. Consistently, records show more arrests, more convictions, and harsher sentences for people of color when facing similar crimes as white counterparts. What if Martin had killed Zimmerman? We will never know for sure, but we have excellent records of what has happened to others. <br /><br />Regardless, you're right in that I do suppose what what going on in Zimmerman's head. Indeed, the statements are not based on my knowledge of Zimmerman, but rather what we know about anyone living in our society. We breathe the racial smog and no one is immune. Studies covering all ages and races have well characterized the phenomena I mention. Zimmerman could have been supernaturally able to resist such imprinting, but these are the realities of our culture and the context within which we all act. StrngeFruithttp://bytheirstrangefruit.comnoreply@blogger.com